Luke and Jonathan discuss the recent Code for the People documentary, WordCamps, and growth in the WordPress community. Jonathan accepts a challenge for WordCamp US and Luke reflects on values.

Sé Reed joins Jonathan and Luke to discuss WordPress contribution, community, dictatorship, leadership, accountability, optimism, exploitation, and what happens next. Sé shares her perspective and the impact that the past few years have had on her experience as a contributor. Jonathan has an “ah ha” moment about trust, Luke suggests a shift in focus, and Sé invites Luke back.

Jonathan and Luke discuss AI usage in the plugin review queue and the impact of increased submission volume. Luke offers an existential question, Jonathan crosses the line, and Luke asks listeners for input on his idea.

Amy Kamala joins Luke and Jonathan to discuss art, poetry, biology, and how decisions get made in the WordPress project. Amy shares her perspective on the human element in automation, Luke expresses his love for contributors over contributions, and Jonathan offers insight into why he and Luke are still together.

Luke and Jonathan discuss the upcoming WordCamp Europe and their mixed feelings about Matt’s latest appeal. Jonathan expresses a dichotomy he’s trying to work through and Luke expresses his disappointment in Jonathan’s latest work.

Luke has a change of heart about Matt’s renewed involvement and Jonathan gushes over Desktop Mode. They discuss the Presence API and the new WordPress.org Janitors channel. Jonathan makes a basketball reference that goes over Luke’s head.

Jonathan and Luke are back and kickoff the season with an uncomprehensive recap of recent events. Luke offers his thoughts on Matt’s reemergence into the project and Jonathan offers his take on where the opportunity is for WordPress in the new world of AI.